Why don’t we grow to be 10 feet tall?

Pedro_P

ssangra 12-5-2019 05:54 AM
Edited by ssangra at 12-5-2019 04:35 PM

1- there is no problem about reading of the bible as long ...

I think the day will soon come when religious books, such as the bible, the torah and the Koran, will be considered as fantastic literature of myths and legends.
I suspect that Jesus learned many things from other places like India or China, before venturing to create a seditious movement among his Jewish community... Strictly speaking, Christianity is basically a sect derived from Judaism. By the way, it must have been very easy for Jesus, to sacrifice himself for all humans, especially when he knew that he would be resurrected on the third day.
Most religions "sell" the concept of salvation, they need to create in people a feeling of guilt and sin, and then offer them the salvation of their souls. Christian children are born with original sin, an invention created precisely for that purpose of selling salvation.
The great majority of religions are fundamentally misogynist and machista, they consider women as being inferior and impure. For example, it is enough to read Leviticus or the gospel of Saint Paul in the bible, to note the high degree of misogyny, perversion, evil and cruelty towards women.
Other religions of the group of Abrahamic religions, such as Islamism and Judaism, share these same misogynistic criteria.
For example, tribes live in the Amazon whose women walk naked, no one in "civilized" societies condemns women for walking like that, however, those criteria with these poor and isolated women of the jungle do not apply when a beautiful woman decides to walk bare-chested in the middle of the city, the worst adjectives would fall on that woman... Since even for such situations there is a double moral standard.
Forcing women to use a veil is basically a form of censorship, repression, condemnation... Multiple moral criteria will be attributed to justify the use and obligatory nature of the veil, but nobody was born with those criteria in mind, they were created with a purpose, to keep women subjugated... That extends even in terms of access to education, for example, some families privilege the education of their sons, and condemn girls to have no education, that situation It is very common in poor communities in the Andes of South America.
But there is also a criterion of underestimation towards women, considering them to be weak and vulnerable, when in reality, women are human beings like any other, with capacities and potentials that can enable them to achieve their own goals and efforts.
The problem also arises when in some societies women are denied the opportunities to develop their potential.
One can only choose, if one has options and criteria to make a reasoned choice. When there are no options, there is no choice, but rather imposition... And when there is no intellectual development, there will be no reasoned choice, it will simply be a pseudo-choice based on the shoal or herd criteria.
Do not forget that in many parts of the world, women do not have the opportunity to decide about themselves, and they do not have enough options to make a real choice.

ssangra

whoa here is a bloke who believes in equality .....except for ma in law....

1- Abraham supposedly treated his wife and women as an equal (Sarah) as did Jesus (Mary Magdalene among the other women in his life).

2. All religions were conceptualized by wise people who were possibly free thinkers who have analysed the darkness of the human spirit (which is driven by need and greed alone). They devised fear of karma and god so we dont hurt each other or kill. If we do the species will end. Besides this care of the env was woven in. So to me each religion is a subobject of these principles customized for local env. I dont see much diff between the percepts of the Gita , Koran or the Bible or the Torah or any other religion. Most were a treatise of social and community living woven in.

3-Jesus had little choice regarding his sacrifice. He was a bold free thinker and unafraid in a world where herod and the other greek gov were ruling. Both men were well versed in the art of politics and power and saw him as a threat as did the Rabbis who were powerful religious leaders so the situation he faced was very akin to situation today e.g. in rabidly religious countries today. Naturally he was perceived as an enemy and marked to be killed. Sadly his apostles also showed the same level of behaviour as friends do today. Some stood by him , others like Peter denied (3 times) and Judas betrayed him. He had no choice. He probably was also part alien so he could self repair or was a siddha who exists beyond time. So he could spiritually materialize at will. These things are possible if u become so adept that u can cross time.

4- Man has one half of a chromosome while a woman has full length sets. Naturally she is more powerful. She is the first choice to materialize when the env is not condusive. Female turtles are born when weather is adverse. Cold countries have more female births than warm countries...man knows the power a woman has on him. She produces children something that is a mystery for man. She survives better in most adverse conditions. A widower will live less if his wife dies but a widow will find a way to survive be it for the children or for herself. ...This is one reason why most men specially those that crave power be it religious, personal or political seek to subdue the woman. As you rightly say the veils and moral codes are a way to physically keep them subdued.  The trouble has been that women are brought up to believe this. But again it remains a choice of the woman. Women who are subdued are not truly so. In kingdoms the politics that played out in harems would have put the politics of men to shame. So many kingdoms changed because of this. Today it plays out in Saudia also. The mother of the crown prince is an educated woman of modern thought though relatively unknown otherwise. It remains to be seen if he will respect women more than his traditional predecessors. Equality is the right of the woman and she alone decides how much of it she gets. Its her choice and she always has it come what may. Of course physically she is not as strong or powerful. She compensates as a multitasker and agile adaptor.

Pedro_P

ssangra 12-5-2019 11:25 AM
Edited by ssangra at 12-5-2019 09:59 PM

whoa here is a bloke who believes in equality .....except ...

• Actually, Abraham consented to the prostitution of Sarah, and had a son with his slave Hagar... Then Sara had a son, (supposedly a gift from God) from son of Sarah, Isaac came from the Jews, from son of Hagar, Ishmael came from all the Arabs. Abraham is by antonomasia, the expression of patriarchal machismo. • Actually, the first religious manifestations are observed with the Animism, under which, the first thinking humans tried to explain the phenomena that occurred around them, through the concept of a superior being, that is why, they deified both natural phenomena , as to animals and objects. The only reason why God exists, is because there are still things for which man has not found a reasonable explanation, yet.
In the name of God, a lot of blood has been spilled, a lot of people have been killed. Religion should not be a justification to kill.
Certainly, religion was constituted as a means of social control, at first it was tried to control the tribe, nowadays, the control is about entire countries.
• In reality, Jesus lived in a historical context where the Jews were the possession of the Romans. Jesus certainly tried to change that reality, both because of the rigidity of Judaism represented by the high priests, and because of the situation of domination exercised by the Romans.
Who is more traitor?, Judas who ended up committing suicide after betraying Jesus, or Pedro who saved his life by denying Jesus.
The truth is that there are apocryphal gospels that clarify many things, but for convenience have not been incorporated into the set of books that make up the bible.
• In reality, it is not a matter solely of chromosomes, it is more a question of evolution.
In all species, females have always had to be more resistant and strong to ensure the survival and reproduction of the species, statistically the number of males is lower than that of females.
The submission of the woman  reveals a situation of inferiority of man, since, to demonstrate superiority it is necessary to subject someone.
On the other hand, there is no choice when a woman wants to take off her veil and then she is condemned to death by stoning or lynched or imprisoned... Elections are made and freedom, if not, are not valid choices... To choose, two or more options are needed, it is not chosen when one has only one option, unless death and humiliation are considered as an option.
• Machismo is not an exclusivity of religion, nobody is born being macho, those things are taught and learned. In that sense, education plays a very important role, but not any education, but rather education with equality and freedom... Unfortunately, in many places in the world, that does not happen.

ssangra

Well was not aware that Abraham consented to Sarah cohabiting with another though its plausible as in agrarian societies even today when a woman does not beget a child a man will let her cohabit with another male in the family.

I was aware of the common origin of both Sarahs progency as well as Hagars and am aware that is the common root of discord among the jews and the arabs who descend from sons of the same patriarch.

Have never understood why man chose animism to explain religion ...man always thought of themselves as better than animals and above them so why did most ancient tribes use animals to portray power is unclear.

Agree totally that  Religion should not be a justification to kill. Nothing should be except possibly self defence.

I never thought abt Judas as a clear cut traitor. He was a mere mortal in fear who chose his need and greed over allegiance to the new teachings of an independent mind. There are many judas around in the world even today. His suicide was because of his awareness of the wrong choice he had made. His spirit knew what was the better and higher calling and he weighed his action against how good it could have been and what resulted through his sad action denying the world a better tomorrow all because of one man.

Pedros denying Jesus is also his personal choice and somewhere inside it seems to disturb him though it may not be necessary because no one knows the truth of the past.

Though many middle eastern countries are like u say thankfully women there are changing and am fortunate to not live there. Am free to chose and grateful for it.

Agree abt the machismo being a learned skill and believe it is an independent mother and mother in law who brings up an independent son

Pedro_P

ssangra 12-5-2019 12:35 PM
Well was not aware that Abraham consented to Sarah cohabiting with another though its plausible as i ...

The bible is full of mythologies, contradictions and also many stupidities... Certainly, typical of the primitive of ancient societies... However, there are people who believe that they are superior to condemn others to die in the name of God, it is a mental insanity worthy of mental sanatorium.
Christianity as a religion, took shape when the Roman Emperor Constantine decided to make it the official religion of the Roman Empire, later, the Vatican was converted into a State, thanks to Benito Mussolini... Today the Vatican is a totalitarian State and one of the few states that protects pedophiles... Again the double religious moral manifests.
For the vast majority of people, believing is easier than thinking, and again is a manifestation of the human tendency to go the easy way... And although, unfortunately, the obscurantism of past times remains in force, I think that the freedom inherent in the human being will prevail over religious condemnation and repression.
Again, no one is born believing in God, nobody is born being a machista or misogynist, nobody is born being racist or with stupid prejudices... All that, unfortunately, is taught and learned.

ssangra

Amen and good night

warlikeprince

Scientists think that height is one factor in human being that's related to Genetic data. It's vary with region to region. Most people in world are of average height of 5.4 - 5.8. Others are 1ft below it or above it. But hadn't seen one with 10 ft. then it can be concluded that human genetic data cannot allow height above specific range...

Rhett_Bassard

warlikeprince 31-5-2019 10:12 PM
Scientists think that height is one factor in human being that's related to Genetic data. It's vary  ...

Old and bad joke:
"I'm looking for a partner 1ft below 5.4, but they must have a flat head. I need a place to rest my beer."

Pedro_P

Rhett Bassard 1-6-2019 02:00 PM
Old and bad joke:
"I'm looking for a partner 1ft below 5.4, but they must have a flat head. I nee ...

My wife sometimes jokes about the fact that she is a bit taller than me, but then she gets angry when I remind her that in a few more years, her bones will shrink more than mine, and we will have the same height. LOL

jeff5695

Oh to be a little taller. Than I could change the light bulb